{"id":5909,"date":"2025-04-27T11:34:15","date_gmt":"2025-04-27T11:34:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/?p=5909"},"modified":"2025-04-27T11:34:15","modified_gmt":"2025-04-27T11:34:15","slug":"effondrements-reve-cartharginois","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/effondrements-reve-cartharginois\/","title":{"rendered":"Effondrements (r\u00eave cartharginois)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Pleine lune oblige, sommeil agit\u00e9. R\u00e9veill\u00e9 vers 5\u00a0heures par un r\u00eave dont je m\u2019empresse de noter ce qui en reste, la sc\u00e8ne finale. Je me trouve avec mon plus jeune fr\u00e8re B. sur une colline. Avec nous quelques autres personnes. C\u2019est un lieu de promenade qui surplombe ce que, dans mon r\u00eave, j\u2019appelle un temple. En r\u00e9alit\u00e9, une ville massive, faite de superpositions d\u2019\u00e9normes plaques de b\u00e9ton gris, support\u00e9es par des piliers qui se dressent de travers (association d\u2019id\u00e9e\u00a0: je dis souvent que la ville dans laquelle je viens de m\u2019installer est tordue, qu\u2019elle tient debout dieu sait par quel miracle). Des centaines de milliers de gens vivent dans cette esp\u00e8ce de bunker g\u00e9ant (que j\u2019appelle donc un temple). \u00c0 commencer par mes proches, le reste de ma famille.<\/p>\n<p>Dans la sc\u00e8ne finale du r\u00eave, nous voyons les piliers vaciller. La structure pencher de droite \u00e0 gauche. Les plaques de b\u00e9ton se d\u00e9tachent les unes apr\u00e8s les autres et, dans un silence malgr\u00e9 tout cataclysmique, la totalit\u00e9 du temple-ville s\u2019effondre. Avant m\u00eame que quiconque ait pu seulement penser \u00e0 faire quoi que ce soit pour l\u2019en emp\u00eacher (et faire quoi, au juste\u00a0?).<br \/>\nAvant de me r\u00e9veiller, nous discutons avec les \u00ab\u00a0promeneurs et promeneuses\u00a0\u00bb survivant\u2027es, du danger extr\u00eame que pr\u00e9senterait le fait de s\u2019aventurer dans ces d\u00e9combres.<\/p>\n<p>Ce r\u00eave me fait penser imm\u00e9diatement \u00e0 un autre r\u00eave d\u2019effondrement qui revenait r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement quand j\u2019\u00e9tais enfant et pr\u00e9adolescent. L\u00e0, c\u2019\u00e9tait le quartier que nous habitions, les maisons, les immeubles, les barres HLM, qui se trouvait menac\u00e9 (ou d\u00e9truit) par des coul\u00e9es de laves volcaniques, des tremblements de terre, des bombardements \u2013 au gr\u00e9 des savoirs \u201ccatastrophiques\u201d dont je disposais \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9poque. Mais dans ce r\u00eave d\u2019enfance, je fuyais avec mon autre (jeune) fr\u00e8re, F., sur un tapis volant en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral (on fait avec les moyens du bord, j\u2019avais d\u00fb lire un livre sur le conte d\u2019Aladin). Je suis beaucoup plus proche aujourd\u2019hui de mon fr\u00e8re B. que de F. ce qui explique mon choix de sauver l\u2019un et de sacrifier l\u2019autre.<\/p>\n<p>Il n\u2019y a rien d\u2019\u00e9tonnant \u00e0 ce que l\u2019image des d\u00e9combres et des ruines, des immeubles qui s\u2019effondrent hantent nos esprits (le mien en tous cas). La destruction de Gaza notamment, parmi d\u2019autres destructions, sid\u00e8re l\u2019imaginaire. L\u2019occasion du r\u00eave est fournie par la lecture, juste avant de m\u2019endormir, du livre d\u2019<a href=\"https:\/\/press.princeton.edu\/books\/hardcover\/9780691148526\/rethinking-the-other-in-antiquity\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Erich S. Gruen, <em>Rethinking the other in antiquity<\/em><\/a>, dans lequel est comment\u00e9e la destruction de Carthage en 146 av JC, accompagn\u00e9e d\u2019un des plus grands massacre de population de l\u2019antiquit\u00e9, que l\u2019on doit aux Romains.<\/p>\n<p>Enfant, je vivais d\u00e9j\u00e0 dans l\u2019angoisse\u00a0: cette conscience pr\u00e9coce que les choses ne duraient pas \u00e9ternellement \u2013 la biographie familiale et la pr\u00e9carit\u00e9 sociale et \u00e9conomique expliquent une partie de ce sentiment. Winnicott a \u00e9crit un bref texte qui a suscit\u00e9 beaucoup de commentaires sur la crainte de l\u2019effondrement\u00a0:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"sfjWi8hWyc\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vincent-tournier.fr\/la-crainte-de-leffondrement-donald-winnicott\/\">La crainte de l&rsquo;effondrement &#8211; Donald Winnicott<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u00ab\u00a0La crainte de l&rsquo;effondrement &#8211; Donald Winnicott\u00a0\u00bb &#8212; Vincent Tournier\" src=\"https:\/\/www.vincent-tournier.fr\/la-crainte-de-leffondrement-donald-winnicott\/embed\/#?secret=2rEYTFPOam#?secret=sfjWi8hWyc\" data-secret=\"sfjWi8hWyc\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>En \u00e9coutant un\u2027e patient\u2027e, je suis attentif aux \u00e9motions associ\u00e9es \u00e0 son enfance\u00a0: elles peuvent \u00eatre positives (le paradis perdu de l\u2019enfance), n\u00e9gatives (comme dans le cas de ma propre enfance, anxieuse, d\u00e9prim\u00e9e, hant\u00e9 par la possibilit\u00e9 de l\u2019effondrement, l\u2019imminence de la perte de monde), ou, et c\u2019est le cas la plupart du temps, ambivalente. La \u00ab\u00a0solution\u00a0\u00bb adopt\u00e9e dans l\u2019imaginaire, typique des r\u00eaves que je viens d\u2019\u00e9voquer, pourrait \u00eatre d\u00e9crite comme un m\u00e9lange de fuite et de sacrifice (le patient se sauve lui-m\u00eame, et, dans mon cas, embarque avec lui le fr\u00e8re dont il \u00e9tait charg\u00e9 de prendre soin, mais sacrifie tout le reste, les autres figures familiales, mais aussi le monde si d\u00e9cevant, dans lequel il peine \u00e0 se m\u00e9nager une place viable). Il y a \u00e9videmment un v\u0153u de meurtre. Mais aussi, de mani\u00e8re plus cr\u00e9ative, l\u2019ouverture d\u2019autres chemins de vie possibles, un refus de se plier aux injonctions et aux d\u00e9terminismes (morales, socio-\u00e9conomiques, et parfois sexuelles). Le tapis volant para\u00eet constituer un v\u00e9hicule fort ad\u00e9quat pour prendre le large sur des chemins queer.<\/p>\n<p>#Reve #Effondrement<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Pleine lune oblige, sommeil agit\u00e9. R\u00e9veill\u00e9 vers 5\u00a0heures par un r\u00eave dont je m\u2019empresse de noter ce qui en reste, la sc\u00e8ne finale. Je me trouve avec mon plus jeune fr\u00e8re B. sur une colline. Avec nous quelques autres personnes. C\u2019est un lieu de promenade qui surplombe ce que, dans mon r\u00eave, j\u2019appelle un temple.&hellip;<\/p>\n <a href=\"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/effondrements-reve-cartharginois\/\" title=\"Effondrements (r\u00eave cartharginois)\" class=\"entry-more-link\"><span>Read More<\/span> <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Effondrements (r\u00eave cartharginois)<\/span><\/a>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"Layout":"","footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[82,76],"tags":[116,115],"class_list":["entry","author-danah","post-5909","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","category-guerres","category-histoire","tag-effondrement","tag-reve"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.0 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Effondrements (r\u00eave cartharginois) - Outside Dana Hilliot<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/effondrements-reve-cartharginois\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Effondrements (r\u00eave cartharginois) - Outside Dana Hilliot\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Pleine lune oblige, sommeil agit\u00e9. 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