{"id":5162,"date":"2024-04-17T18:26:24","date_gmt":"2024-04-17T18:26:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/?p=5162"},"modified":"2024-04-18T19:59:05","modified_gmt":"2024-04-18T19:59:05","slug":"petites-experimentations-avec-la-democratie-italie","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/petites-experimentations-avec-la-democratie-italie\/","title":{"rendered":"Petites exp\u00e9rimentations avec la d\u00e9mocratie (Italie)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"annotationsHolder\">Meloni et ses amis s&rsquo;efforcent \u00e0 petite touches, de mani\u00e8re pour ainsi dire exploratoire, de remettre au go\u00fbt du jour des lois qui permettent de raffermir leur pouvoir, de brider la libert\u00e9 d&rsquo;expression, et de faire taire les oppositions (en les criminalisant).<\/div>\n<div id=\"Article-xIJmuLNcFUzeEPDbqejmhHYV0p5ALDp6ld8LHZKXhAA=_18ed417bef7:1573540:5c6f62c1\" class=\"entryBody\">\n<div class=\"content\">\n<p>Vous avez peut-\u00eatre suivi ses projets de r\u00e9forme de la constitution (qui sont une sp\u00e9cialit\u00e9 italienne, rarement suivie d&rsquo;effets du reste), par exemple celui assurant au Parti arriv\u00e9 en t\u00eate aux l\u00e9gislatives (quel que soit son score !! ???? ) d&rsquo;obtenir 55% des si\u00e8ges \u00e0 l&rsquo;Assembl\u00e9e (Les Macronistes en r\u00eavent, le RN aussi cela dit : certes nous disposons du 49.3, une bien g\u00e9niale invention, mais c&rsquo;est pas tr\u00e8s populaire para\u00eet-il). La gouvernabilit\u00e9 n&rsquo;a pas de prix hein !<\/p>\n<p>Cette-fois ci, c&rsquo;est un projet qui vise \u00e0 augmenter la dur\u00e9e des peines d&#8217;emprisonnement contre les journalistes consid\u00e9r\u00e9s comme ayant commis un d\u00e9lit de diffamation.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u00ab\u00a0Les amendements de Berrino au projet de loi sur la diffamation &#8211; initialement sign\u00e9 par Alberto Balboni &#8211; pr\u00e9voient une peine d&#8217;emprisonnement pouvant aller jusqu&rsquo;\u00e0 trois ans et une amende pouvant aller jusqu&rsquo;\u00e0 120 000 euros en cas de \u00ab\u00a0comportement r\u00e9p\u00e9t\u00e9 et coordonn\u00e9\u00a0\u00bb de diffusion de fausses nouvelles. L&rsquo;amendement ajoute un paragraphe au projet de loi Balboni, qui punit la \u00ab\u00a0diffusion de fausses nouvelles par voie de presse\u00a0\u00bb. Il pr\u00e9voit \u00e9galement la peine accessoire d&rsquo;interdiction d&rsquo;exercer la profession de journaliste pour une p\u00e9riode de trois mois \u00e0 trois ans. \u00ab\u00a0Quiconque, par un comportement r\u00e9p\u00e9t\u00e9 et coordonn\u00e9, visant \u00e0 porter gravement atteinte \u00e0 la r\u00e9putation d&rsquo;autrui, attribue \u00e0 quelqu&rsquo;un, par voie de presse ou d&rsquo;autres produits \u00e9ditoriaux enregistr\u00e9s vis\u00e9s \u00e0 l&rsquo;article 1er, paragraphe 2, des faits qu&rsquo;il sait m\u00eame partiellement faux, est puni, si le fait se produit, d&rsquo;une peine d&#8217;emprisonnement d&rsquo;un \u00e0 trois ans et d&rsquo;une amende de 50 000 \u00e0 120 000 euros\u00a0\u00bb. En outre, \u00ab\u00a0lorsque le comportement vis\u00e9 au premier alin\u00e9a consiste \u00e0 imputer \u00e0 une personne que l&rsquo;on sait innocente des faits constitutifs d&rsquo;un d\u00e9lit, la peine est augment\u00e9e d&rsquo;un tiers \u00e0 la moiti\u00e9\u00a0\u00bb. La peine peut donc aller jusqu&rsquo;\u00e0 quatre ans.\u00a0\u00bb<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Pour le moment, cela rel\u00e8ve plus du test que de la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 &#8211; la d\u00e9mocratie italienne a des ressources qui n&rsquo;ont pas encore \u00e9t\u00e9 trop massacr\u00e9es comme c&rsquo;est le cas en Hongrie par exemple (un des mod\u00e8les flagrants de Meloni). Mais, si les institutions europ\u00e9ennes et la cour constitutionnelle alertent sur le caract\u00e8re anti-d\u00e9mocratique de cette loi, je suis persuad\u00e9 que les droites europ\u00e9ennes (qu&rsquo;on ne distingue plus qu&rsquo;avec peine des extr\u00eames droites) observent avec attention ces exp\u00e9riences qui visent l&rsquo;instauration d&rsquo;un r\u00e9gime interm\u00e9diaire entre la \u00ab\u00a0d\u00e9mocratie \u00e0 peu pr\u00e8s pluraliste\u00a0\u00bb et ces r\u00e9gimes qu&rsquo;on qualifiera au choix (je vous le laisse) de \u00ab\u00a0d\u00e9mocratie illib\u00e9rale\u00a0\u00bb, \u00ab\u00a0autoritarisme majoritaire\u00a0\u00bb, \u00ab\u00a0autocratie \u00e9lectorale\u00a0\u00bb (\u00e0 la Orban, Poutine, Erdogan, avec toutes les nuances qui s&rsquo;imposent).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ilfattoquotidiano.it\/2024\/04\/11\/diffamazione-carcere-giornalisti-destra-accelera-rivolta-ordine-fnsi-pulsioni-autoritarie-pd-m5s-deriva-pericolosa\/7509775\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.ilfattoquotidiano.it\/2024\/04\/11\/diffamazione-carcere-giornalisti-destra-accelera-rivolta-ordine-fnsi-pulsioni-autoritarie-pd-m5s-deriva-pericolosa\/7509775\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00e0 lire aussi :<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.boell.org\/fr\/2023\/10\/20\/un-de-gouvernement-meloni-un-bilan\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/fr.boell.org\/fr\/2023\/10\/20\/un-de-gouvernement-meloni-un-bilan<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>Meloni a eu aussi la brillante id\u00e9e d&rsquo;instaurer un test psychologique (??) pour les juges et les procureurs &#8211; lesquels, comme chacun sait, sont un poil trop \u00e0 gauche (et tendent \u00e0 faire obstacle aux politiques migratoires gouvernementales par exemple), et donc ne disposent probablement pas de toutes les dispositions cognitives requises.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lto.de\/recht\/justiz\/j\/italien-justiz-psychotest-meloni-rechtsstaat-psyche-test-richter-staatsanwaltschaft\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.lto.de\/recht\/justiz\/j\/italien-justiz-psychotest-meloni-rechtsstaat-psyche-test-richter-staatsanwaltschaft\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Concernant les \u00ab\u00a0accusations de diffamation\u00a0\u00bb, voir le message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent, on ne peut s&#8217;emp\u00eacher de penser \u00e0 cet apisode r\u00e9czent, o\u00f9 Meloni assigne carr\u00e9ment elle-m\u00eame en justice l&rsquo;historien Luciano Canfora (qui aurait qualifi\u00e9 il y a deux ans Meloni de \u00ab\u00a0n\u00e9o-nazi dans l&rsquo;\u00e2me\u00a0\u00bb&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.liberation.fr\/idees-et-debats\/tribunes\/giorgia-meloni-assigne-lhistorien-luciano-canfora-en-justice-pour-diffamation-une-aberration-20240409_Z5SG4XVWAVEI5F6DLKQOYRDGPE\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.liberation.fr\/idees-et-debats\/tribunes\/giorgia-meloni-assigne-lhistorien-luciano-canfora-en-justice-pour-diffamation-une-aberration-20240409_Z5SG4XVWAVEI5F6DLKQOYRDGPE\/<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>Un des points de tension j&rsquo;allais dire : \u00ab\u00a0consubstantiel\u00a0\u00bb \u00e0 toute \u00ab\u00a0d\u00e9mocratie pluraliste\u00a0\u00bb, c&rsquo;est celui entre l&rsquo;ind\u00e9pendance de la justice et la tentation de se doter d&rsquo;un appareil judiciaire favorable au pouvoir en place. Il y a en gros deux mani\u00e8res de remettre en cause l&rsquo;ind\u00e9pendance des juges et des procureurs : 1. intervenir dans les proc\u00e9dures de nomination (voir les nommer tout simplement) 2. promulguer des lois (que les juges sont cens\u00e9s appliquer).<br \/>\nOn sent bien, rien qu&rsquo;en \u00e9non\u00e7ant ces deux principes \u00e0 quel point l&rsquo;ind\u00e9pendance de la justice a tout d&rsquo;un mythe, ou, du moins, qu&rsquo;elle est toujours intrins\u00e8quement menac\u00e9e : 1. pour \u00e9viter que tous les juges adh\u00e8rent \u00e0 la m\u00eame \u00ab\u00a0tendance politique\u00a0\u00bb, il faut d&rsquo;abord qu&rsquo;il existe une v\u00e9ritable alternance politique \u00ab\u00a0au pouvoir\u00a0\u00bb &#8211; et pas seulement pendant les campagnes \u00e9lectorales : un parti qui gagnerait les \u00e9lections depuis des d\u00e9cennies finirait logiquement par disposer d&rsquo;une institution judiciaire enti\u00e8rement \u00e0 son service. 2. Les lois sont tr\u00e8s majoritairement vou\u00e9es \u00e0 d\u00e9fendre avant tout les int\u00e9r\u00eats des propri\u00e9taires et consacrer les \u00e9tats de force (et de domination) actuels et pass\u00e9s, \u00e0 commencer par la propri\u00e9t\u00e9. C&rsquo;est \u00e9videmment encore plus flagrant de nos jours en France, o\u00f9 l&rsquo;\u00c9tat ne se distingue gu\u00e8re d&rsquo;un instrument monstrueux au service des int\u00e9r\u00eats des classes dominantes.<\/p>\n<p>Bref : les d\u00e9mocraties, m\u00eame celles qui semblent a priori les plus solides, sont vuln\u00e9rables dans la mesure o\u00f9 le vers est dans le fruit : elles sont toujours \u00e0 construire contre des menaces non pas tant \u00ab\u00a0ext\u00e9rieures\u00a0\u00bb, qu'\u00a0\u00bbint\u00e9rieures\u00a0\u00bb (\u00e0 quoi bon le pluralisme si c&rsquo;est toujours les m\u00eames qui gagnent au final ?). Un gouvernement qui traduirait par exemple \u00ab\u00a0\u00e0 la lettre\u00a0\u00bb le pluralisme politique en mati\u00e8re de nomination des juges, risquerait de se tirer une balle dans le pied.<\/p>\n<div id=\"Article-xIJmuLNcFUzeEPDbqejmhHYV0p5ALDp6ld8LHZKXhAA=_18ed417bef7:1573540:5c6f62c1\" class=\"entryBody\">\n<p>(NB : c&rsquo;est tr\u00e8s important de suivre ce qui se passe chez nos voisins les plus proches, notamment en Italie, mais aussi en Grande-Bretagne&#8230; On y va tout droit &#8211; et on me dit dans l&rsquo;oreillette qu&rsquo;il n&rsquo;y m\u00eame pas besoin d&rsquo;\u00e9lire Marine Le pen pour y aller : le brave peuple de France n&rsquo;y voit pas d&rsquo;inconv\u00e9nients &#8211; \u00e0 quelques gauchistes pr\u00e8s \u00e9videmment)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>Addendum ! (\u00e7a n&rsquo;arr\u00eate pas du c\u00f4t\u00e9 de Meloni en ce moment)<\/p>\n<p>Dans la s\u00e9rie, les exp\u00e9rimentations n\u00e9ofascistes de M\u00e9loni (\u00e9ni\u00e8me \u00e9pisode) voici :<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"status-link unhandled-link\" title=\"https:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.fr\/international\/article\/en-italie-les-associations-anti-ivg-auront-bientot-le-droit-d-entrer-directement-dans-les-cliniques-italiennes_232782.html\" translate=\"no\" href=\"https:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.fr\/international\/article\/en-italie-les-associations-anti-ivg-auront-bientot-le-droit-d-entrer-directement-dans-les-cliniques-italiennes_232782.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"invisible\">https:\/\/www.<\/span><span class=\"ellipsis\">huffingtonpost.fr\/internationa<\/span><span class=\"invisible\">l\/article\/en-italie-les-associations-anti-ivg-auront-bientot-le-droit-d-entrer-directement-dans-les-cliniques-italiennes_232782.html<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Les fascistes sont obs\u00e9d\u00e9s par les bio(necro-)politiques de la natalit\u00e9, le ventre des femmes, la reproduction du cheptel blanc. Autoriser (c&rsquo;est-\u00e0-dire INVITER) les militants anti-IVG \u00e0 entrer dans les cliniques, c&rsquo;est juste&#8230; terrifiant.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Meloni et ses amis s&rsquo;efforcent \u00e0 petite touches, de mani\u00e8re pour ainsi dire exploratoire, de remettre au go\u00fbt du jour des lois qui permettent de raffermir leur pouvoir, de brider la libert\u00e9 d&rsquo;expression, et de faire taire les oppositions (en les criminalisant). Vous avez peut-\u00eatre suivi ses projets de r\u00e9forme de la constitution (qui sont&hellip;<\/p>\n <a href=\"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/petites-experimentations-avec-la-democratie-italie\/\" title=\"Petites exp\u00e9rimentations avec la d\u00e9mocratie (Italie)\" class=\"entry-more-link\"><span>Read More<\/span> <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Petites exp\u00e9rimentations avec la d\u00e9mocratie (Italie)<\/span><\/a>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":5163,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"Layout":"","footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[99],"tags":[],"class_list":["entry","author-danah","post-5162","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-democratie"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.0 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Petites exp\u00e9rimentations avec la d\u00e9mocratie (Italie) - Outside Dana Hilliot<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/petites-experimentations-avec-la-democratie-italie\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Petites exp\u00e9rimentations avec la d\u00e9mocratie (Italie) - Outside Dana Hilliot\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Meloni et ses amis s&rsquo;efforcent \u00e0 petite touches, de mani\u00e8re pour ainsi dire exploratoire, de remettre au go\u00fbt du jour des lois qui permettent de raffermir leur pouvoir, de brider la libert\u00e9 d&rsquo;expression, et de faire taire les oppositions (en les criminalisant). 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