{"id":4730,"date":"2023-10-29T19:15:45","date_gmt":"2023-10-29T19:15:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/?p=4730"},"modified":"2024-01-16T09:58:56","modified_gmt":"2024-01-16T09:58:56","slug":"bombarder-les-civils","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/bombarder-les-civils\/","title":{"rendered":"Bombarder les civils"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"status__content\" tabindex=\"0\">\n<div class=\"status__content__text status__content__text--visible translate\" lang=\"fr\">\n<p>(1) Il y a une vingtaine d&rsquo;ann\u00e9es (je devais avoir 32 ans), je me suis enfin d\u00e9cid\u00e9 \u00e0 parler \u00e0 mon p\u00e8re. Je crois que cela ne s&rsquo;\u00e9tait jamais produit auparavant, nous n&rsquo;avions jamais pris la peine de nous asseoir l&rsquo;un en face de l&rsquo;autre et converser. Nous sommes all\u00e9s au restaurant et j&rsquo;ai commenc\u00e9 \u00e0 lui poser des questions. J&rsquo;allais \u00e9crire : \u00ab\u00a0j&rsquo;ai commenc\u00e9 \u00e0 le bombarder de questions\u00a0\u00bb. Mais vous comprendrez en lisant la suite pourquoi cette expression s&rsquo;av\u00e8re particuli\u00e8rement inconvenante.<\/p>\n<p>Je lui ai demand\u00e9 s&rsquo;il savait pourquoi, d\u00e8s qu&rsquo;un avion passait dans le ciel, d\u00e8s qu&rsquo;on entendait ses moteurs gronder, il se pr\u00e9cipitait dehors (ou \u00e0 la fen\u00eatre) pour regarder. Il m&rsquo;a dit que c&rsquo;est \u00e0 peine s&rsquo;il s&rsquo;\u00e9tait rendu compte qu&rsquo;il agissait ainsi. Une sorte de r\u00e9flexe pensait-il. Peut-\u00eatre parce qu&rsquo;il avait v\u00e9cu non loin de l&rsquo;a\u00e9roport. Les avions le fascinaient.<\/p>\n<p>Je lui ai ensuite demand\u00e9 de me raconter les premi\u00e8res ann\u00e9es de sa vie. Il est n\u00e9 en 1940. Ses parents \u00e9taient domestiques. Ils habitaient un modeste appartement dans une rue pauvre des faubourgs. J&rsquo;\u00e9tais curieux de savoir quels souvenirs il avait gard\u00e9 de la guerre, si tant est qu&rsquo;il en ait gard\u00e9 un seul.<\/p>\n<p>Il se souvenait de quelque chose en particulier. Quand les bombardiers passaient au-dessus de la ville, et que ses parents et lui descendaient dans la cave pour s&rsquo;y r\u00e9fugier. Il se souvient du bruit. De la terreur. Un m\u00e9lange de terreur et de fascination.<\/p>\n<p>Que signifie grandir dans un monde o\u00f9 des bombes peuvent \u00e0 tout moment d\u00e9chirer le silence de la nuit ?<\/p>\n<p>Je ne crois pas le lui avoir dit, mais plus tard, en travaillant sur ce que j&rsquo;ai appel\u00e9 les \u00ab\u00a0vocations contra-phobiques\u00a0\u00bb, j&rsquo;ai repens\u00e9 \u00e0 lui bien s\u00fbr et les bombardements de son enfance, et sa fascination pour les avions. La terreur qui vient du ciel. De fait, il \u00e9tait capable d&rsquo;identifier chacun des avions qui passait (aujourd&rsquo;hui encore, les sites internet qui permettent de suivre les vols des avions sur la terre enti\u00e8re, le fascinent). Comme d&rsquo;autres, il avait transform\u00e9 l&rsquo;angoisse, avait rendu la terreur tol\u00e9rable, en devenant une sorte d&rsquo;expert sur la question (c&rsquo;est ce que je fais aussi, bien entendu : mes pulsions \u00e9pist\u00e9miques, mon \u00e9rudition compulsive, constituent une m\u00e9thode pour contenir l&rsquo;angoisse)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"Nso8MrO13E\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/limites\/se-confronter-au-pire-1\/\">Se confronter au pire (1)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"\u00ab\u00a0Se confronter au pire (1)\u00a0\u00bb &#8212; Outside Dana Hilliot\" src=\"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/limites\/se-confronter-au-pire-1\/embed\/#?secret=z2IcBlVt5H#?secret=Nso8MrO13E\" data-secret=\"Nso8MrO13E\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div class=\"status__content__text status__content__text--visible translate\" lang=\"fr\">\n<p>Un des textes les plus int\u00e9ressants que j&rsquo;ai lu sur le sujet, c&rsquo;est \u00ab\u00a0De la Destruction\u00a0\u00bb de Sebald, ses conf\u00e9rences prononc\u00e9es \u00e0 Zurich en 1997, intitul\u00e9es \u00ab\u00a0Guerre a\u00e9rienne et litt\u00e9rature\u00a0\u00bb, dont je donne quelques extraits ci-dessous. Il pose justement la question du sens de cette destruction massive dans la conscience allemande. Un th\u00e8me qu&rsquo;Alexander Kluge affrontera aussi, \u00e0 de multiples reprises, dans ses in\u00e9puisables \u00ab\u00a0Chroniques des sentiments\u00a0\u00bb.<\/p>\n<p>(l&rsquo;illustration sonore ci-apr\u00e8s, est tir\u00e9e d&rsquo;une vid\u00e9o amateur que j&rsquo;ai vue tout \u00e0 l&rsquo;heure sur Mastodon. On entend le bruit des bombes qui tombent sur Gaza. Je me demande combien d&rsquo;enfants ont grandi en entendant ce bruit d&rsquo;une puissance formidable. Le son de la mort qui tombe du ciel. Et quel sens donner \u00e0 cela ? Et quel monde se construire pour grandir quand les bombardements peuvent \u00e0 tout moment, sans raison, du point de vue d&rsquo;un enfant, d\u00e9chirer la nuit &#8211; et tous les autres sons d&rsquo;une guerre qui para\u00eet \u00e9ternelle, les hurlements de douleur, les chuchotements inquiets, les explosions de rage. La plupart des gens, des jeunes gens, \u00e0 Gaza, sont pi\u00e9g\u00e9s ici depuis leur naissance. Pouvons-nous (et n\u00e9gociez ce \u00ab\u00a0nous\u00a0\u00bb comme vous voudrez) nous mettre un seul instant \u00e0 leur place. Pour eux ce n&rsquo;est pas juste quelques secondes dans leur vie auditive. Il s&rsquo;agit de la bande son de toute la vie dont ils ont dispos\u00e9 jusqu&rsquo;alors &#8211; jusqu&rsquo;\u00e0 ce qu&rsquo;une bombe, pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment, les soustraie du monde)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(2) En relisant G\u00fcnther Anders, je songe \u00e0 ces d\u00e9bats \u00ab\u00a0moraux\u00a0\u00bb portant sur les bombes nucl\u00e9aires qui d\u00e9truisirent Hiroshima et Nagasaki. L&rsquo;article de Wikipedia en fran\u00e7ais donne un bon aper\u00e7u des diff\u00e9rents arguments.<br \/>\nActe de guerre ? Acte immoral ? Crime de guerre ? Crime contre l&rsquo;humanit\u00e9 ? Terrorisme d&rsquo;\u00c9tat ?<br \/>\nL&rsquo;affaire, si l&rsquo;on peut utiliser ce terme, n&rsquo;aura jamais \u00e9t\u00e9 jug\u00e9e devant aucun tribunal.<\/p>\n<p>La remarque du physicien Le\u00f3 Szil\u00e1rd qui avait travaill\u00e9 sur le projet Manathan, cit\u00e9 dans l&rsquo;article de Wikipedia, ajoute une pierre \u00e0 ce vieux th\u00e8me de \u00ab\u00a0l&rsquo;histoire \u00e9crite par les vainqueurs\u00a0\u00bb &#8211; mais on devrait ajouter aussit\u00f4t : \u00ab\u00a0la justice d\u00e9cr\u00e9t\u00e9e par les vainqueurs\u00a0\u00bb.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u00ab Je ne dirais qu&rsquo;une chose essentiellement sur l&rsquo;enjeu moral que cela implique : imaginons que l&rsquo;Allemagne ait fabriqu\u00e9 deux bombes avant que nous en ayons une. Et imaginons que l&rsquo;Allemagne ait largu\u00e9 une bombe, disons, sur Rochester et l&rsquo;autre sur Buffalo. Mais que, ne disposant plus de bombe, l&rsquo;Allemagne ait perdu la guerre. Quelqu&rsquo;un peut-il douter que nous aurions alors qualifi\u00e9 ce bombardement sur des villes de crime de guerre, et que nous aurions condamn\u00e9 \u00e0 mort les Allemands responsables de ce crime \u00e0 Nuremberg pour les pendre ensuite ? \u00bb<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/D%C3%A9bat_sur_les_bombardements_d%27Hiroshima_et_de_Nagasaki\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/D%C3%A9bat_sur_les_bombardements_d%27Hiroshima_et_de_Nagasaki<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Quand on \u00e9tudie la liste extraordinairement peu fournie des crimes jug\u00e9s par le Tribunal International de la Haye, on ne peut s&#8217;emp\u00eacher de penser que certains des crimes les plus abominables commis par les puissances europ\u00e9ennes, n&rsquo;auraient encore aujourd&rsquo;hui aucune chance d&rsquo;\u00eatre jug\u00e9s, le g\u00e9nocide des Herrero et des Nama perp\u00e9tr\u00e9 par les Allemands au d\u00e9but du si\u00e8cle dernier en Namibie, ou, beaucoup plus r\u00e9cemment (quelques ann\u00e9es apr\u00e8s que le Tribunal de Nuremberg ait clos ses portes), celui des Mau Mau par les Britanniques.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.memorialdelashoah.org\/archives-et-documentation\/genocides-xx-siecle\/genocide-herero-nama.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.memorialdelashoah.org\/archives-et-documentation\/genocides-xx-siecle\/genocide-herero-nama.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/investigaction.net\/le-genocide-britannique-des-mau-mau-au-kenya-et-la-question-des-reparations\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/investigaction.net\/le-genocide-britannique-des-mau-mau-au-kenya-et-la-question-des-reparations\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Concernant les bombardements de zones habit\u00e9es par des civils, il est \u00e9vident qu&rsquo;il s&rsquo;agit \u00ab\u00a0\u00e0 tout le moins\u00a0\u00bb d&rsquo;un crime de guerre (l&rsquo;article 8 b1 du Statut de Rome (1990) est clair sur ce point : on peut m\u00eame se demander, en consultant la liste des actes vis\u00e9s, si, au fond, une guerre peut s&rsquo;exempter enti\u00e8rement de \u00ab\u00a0crimes de guerre\u00a0\u00bb. Je ne connais pas une seule guerre qui ne soit justiciable devant le Statut de Rome. Ce fantasme d&rsquo;une guerre \u00ab\u00a0propre\u00a0\u00bb subsiste n\u00e9anmoins, comme un id\u00e9al absurde, qu&rsquo;aucune situation r\u00e9elle n&rsquo;a jamais incarn\u00e9. (si vous en connaissez ne serait-ce qu&rsquo;une seule, je serais ravi d&rsquo;en prendre connaissance).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.un.org\/fr\/genocideprevention\/war-crimes.shtml\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.un.org\/fr\/genocideprevention\/war-crimes.shtml<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(1) Il y a une vingtaine d&rsquo;ann\u00e9es (je devais avoir 32 ans), je me suis enfin d\u00e9cid\u00e9 \u00e0 parler \u00e0 mon p\u00e8re. Je crois que cela ne s&rsquo;\u00e9tait jamais produit auparavant, nous n&rsquo;avions jamais pris la peine de nous asseoir l&rsquo;un en face de l&rsquo;autre et converser. Nous sommes all\u00e9s au restaurant et j&rsquo;ai commenc\u00e9&hellip;<\/p>\n <a href=\"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/bombarder-les-civils\/\" title=\"Bombarder les civils\" class=\"entry-more-link\"><span>Read More<\/span> <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Bombarder les civils<\/span><\/a>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":4731,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"Layout":"","footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[61,82,76],"tags":[],"class_list":["entry","author-danah","post-4730","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-chronique","category-guerres","category-histoire"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.0 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Bombarder les civils - Outside Dana Hilliot<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/outsiderland.com\/danahilliot\/bombarder-les-civils\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Bombarder les civils - Outside Dana Hilliot\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"(1) Il y a une vingtaine d&rsquo;ann\u00e9es (je devais avoir 32 ans), je me suis enfin d\u00e9cid\u00e9 \u00e0 parler \u00e0 mon p\u00e8re. 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